I Would Like To Kick This Guy In The Bots

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I Would Like To Kick This Guy In The Bots

I have been reading many articles about affiliate marketing. It is an interesting concept and I know many people that make a good living at it. Working from home does seem like the perfect solution for a mom or dad – part time or even full time. I can see how it has been become so popular.

I enjoy writing and having a blog. Bunny got Blog is ad free. Some of you may call it a journal and not a blog. You might say I write as a hobby. I do feel it has become more though… I have something to contribute – I have a voice, and I like to use it.

I love to learn, so I am reading all the time. Not only that! I have made some wonderful friends with and without blogs. You might say that my love for education and self-improvement has made me more “giving”. I feel the need to share more, and that is a positive, good feeling.

Now: in the midst of my reading, I have read some very upsetting information about money hungry marketers who scrape content from blogs using bots and spiders. Of course, reputable web developers are trying to combat this by creating plugins et al for the various content management systems out there. Only that they have a hard time keeping up.

Who is scraping our blog content? Who is stealing whole blogs? Passwords, maybe? I don’t know. Is there is an age related issue?. I seem to find blogs with articles about scraping, buying links, and the whole ugly charade on some specific affiliate marketing forums. The majority of these people are men (sorry: boys) in their twenties. My take on the situation is this: these are mainly young computer geeks who approach business with a mindset of “playing games” rather than “playing the game” to make an honest living.

These kids are constantly looking to develop ways to sit back and make their scripts do all the work. All they have to do is set up the “bots” and “spiders” to scrape other people’s blog content. Once that is done, there is very little maintenance for the scraper (so-called affiliate marketer) to do. They think they outsmarted us because they created a way to scam the system, make money, break the law – by stealing our articles. That is called plagiarism. It is against the law.

I have addressed this issue before.

I ‘attended class’ some days, and almost regularly over the weekend, to read responses from the pros participating on these topics. Open Mic – Answering Blogging Questions has been one of my favorite experiences in ‘class’. Barbara and her guest John Hoff sympathized and made suggestions. Barbara’s various series on blogging are always pretty cool – they often involve a featured guest – and you should really check it out if you haven’t already.

WP Blog Host
John of WP Blog Host (link on the image above) told me to check out Jeff Starr:
Perishable Press
Then of course my husband had already pointed this out to me. There are so much of these bot scraping / spider / cloaking thing-a-mi-jigs, it would be impossible to find them all to prosecute. Then, by the time you implement a plugin for security, it is time for an update on your computer. So the ‘nicknames’ of the scraping bots have changed and no longer are recognized by the plugin. And the cycle begins again.

Articles of Importance

This past week, four articles have gotten my attention on blogging and affiliate marketing. I highly recommend that you read:

AVCare is trying to Steal Your Money
This article is about internet security and a heads up on a misleading application of AvCare and its gimmick to upsell to a premium service. The article by Frank also shows you the problems and how to remove the program.

The Value of Social Networking
This article is enlightening – whether you are an affiliate marketer or an ad-free blogger (like I am). For those of you who follow Seth Godin, this informative article includes a video by Seth.

How to Not get Banned on StumbleUpon
StumbleUpon has changed for me in the past few months. I, too, have been drowning in stumble requests every morning – but apparently I have not been hit as hard as some of my friends. One of my online friends told me he had 500+ articles sent to him by other stumblers in a single day. I have noticed more spammy looking sites on StumbleUpon recently… I wanted to flag two people this morning because one sent me ten articles of his own, and the other five. I was able to flag the first one (whom I didn’t know), but the other one – for some reason – wasn’t on my friend’s list. I don’t know if he or she are capable of changing their photo and identity or not… Something fishy is going on there.

In a conversation with my husband about this topic, he said he could see StumbleUpon’s point of view about stumbling a friend’s submission vs. stumbling a page that hasn’t been submitted by one of your friends. Think about it. This might be a hidden gem for you.

I got your password
This article is a great reminder why we should change our passwords often and make them unique. Another issue my husband is always drilling me on is making my passwords cryptic. It seems passwords are very easily accessible if you know what you are doing. Changing your password frequently is a must for security purposes.

My Bad Boy Find

This is what I read just last night.

The possibilities are pretty much endless, but one thing is for sure. There’s nothing better than making fully automated websites that update themselves with new content and pull in money without any real work after they’ve been created.

This affiliate marketer has been building content scrapers of different kinds using PHP, but wanted more. So he learned how to make scrapers that properly handled logging into websites, storing cookies, and actually looking like a web browser.

For your information: PHP is one of the most-used programming languages for websites out there. Thumper tells me there are others; the fact is though that it is abused for such scammy practices as this so-called “marketer” advertises.

Do you drive a car? This guy does and he rams it into your children – on purpose. He demonstrates ways to bypass “traffic laws” and make money off of “the sidewalk”… if you get my analogy.

I was appalled by this blog (which I will not link to). I felt the need to share his words with you. This guy is the one I would love to kick in the ‘bots’. Stealing is stealing, whatever way you look at it.

I do find parallels to my recent post To Have And Not To Have Internet Etiquette – it’s a little disgusting and a little ugly at the same time. It’s disgustingly ugly – or maybe uglyly disgusting?

Sun-Tzu

Then, Thumper and I watched Gangs Of New York – where this was said and stuck in our minds:

The appearance of law must be upheld, especially when it’s being broken.

When will it ever stop?

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30 highly appreciated Comments

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Vered - Blogger for Hire says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 10 am:

I was inspired when Leo of Zen habits announced that he is UN-copyrighting his website. As much as scraping is annoying, Google does have machanisms in place to give the page views to the original and not to the copy (simply because the original is older).

Also, it helps to remember these guys are losers. Not one of them will “make it big” or really succeed financially, as long as these are the methods they use.

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Gerard McGarry says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 11 am:

I liked you StumbleUpon comments – seems using the social features of their software is more likely to get you flagged as a spammer, which is quite ironic.

What I have noticed is that lots of people tend to use SU solely to promote their own content. Now, I do that…to an extent. But I play, and I stumble and I submit new stuff as well. I like to think I’m a good all-round Stumbler.

I’ve been thinking about how to be more selective lately myself.

One, stop thumbing up sites with a big spammy ad-block just underneath the post title. Those are ugly and an offense to users.

Two, watch out for parasite blogs – those that repost images and videos from other sites with no original content or ideas of their own.

Three, unfriend annoying Stumblers – those who are clearly in it for the benefit of their own sites and who eat up your day with low-quality submissions. Also unfriend people who send you Digg and Reddit pages to upvote – that’s clear spamming and needs to be cut out.

Can’t think on anything else right now, but this has been on my mind for a while.

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J.D. Meier says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 12 pm:

Beautiful article and it’s a great reminder of the power of knowledge.

I used to worry about the bot stuff more, but it seems that Google is pretty good about bumping up the original site, either because it’s first or due to page rank. I think it’s an undercurrent that will always exist.

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Barbara Swafford says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 1 pm:

Hi Bunny,

The scrappers seem to be getting better and better at stealing our content, don’t they? Like J.D., I’ve stopped worrying about it although I do try to add links back to myself in many of my posts (as a check point). I’m seeing more and more sites where they will take the first paragraph or two (especially if they are optimized for SEO), and then have a “read the rest here…” with a link back to me. Those sites are usually filled with ads, so I’m guessing they hope the readers won’t click on the article, but will click on an ad instead.

What I also find is those sites seem to disappear as fast as they pop up. I don’t know if they realize their scheme isn’t working or if they find what they think is a better one. Whatever it is, I’m happy I don’t live like that. Can you imagine waking up every morning and thinking, “Whose content can I rip off today?”

And there’s karma – but that’s a subject for another day.

P.S. Thank you for the link love, Bunny. I truly appreciate it.

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Ross says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 1 pm:

My stuff gets scraped all the time, soooo anoying… I read an interesting post recently by another fed up blogger, read about his take on it here: http://www.inspiredmoneymaker.com/2009/07/27/blogging-is-dead/

I really hope that ’sites of value’ win out in the end….

Hope you’re well! -Ross

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Zeenat-Positive Provocations says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 7 pm:

hi Bunny,
Very informative article. I must thank you for sharing this here cause one question that has been pressing me..is that can i put a copyright on my blog content. I mean i put a lot of work into my posts and would hate for them to be stolen without consequence. Or is there any alternative way to avoid the stealing??

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John Hoff - WpBlogHost says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

Hi Bunny, thanks for showcasing our company on your article, I really appreciate that. I had a lot of fun being a guest blogger on Barbara’s blog and you asked some really good questions.

Like Barbara and J.D., I pretty much ignore those scrapers anymore. I remember the first time I saw my content word for word on someone else’s site, I was like, “What the heck?”

It is stealing and unfortunately there’s not a whole lot we can do about it. And like Barbara said, what goes around comes around.

These people will never truly be successful. They are cheaters, and cheaters never really win.

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

HI Vered,

I have crashed horns with my husband over this a few times. He told me to look at it as flattery because dwelling over it was nonsense, just a waste of time and energy.

I still don’t find it flattering but do understand there are always somebody in the crowd that is going to abuse any thing they can.

Thank you for stopping by and sharing your views on this subject.
I really love your blog.

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

Hi Gerald,

StumbleUpon has had to cut down on the abuse of these sites. Personally I am happy they are.

I am very happy to see you here. I know we just have recently become friends on SU.

Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts here with us.

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

Hi J. D. ,

I am getting use to it slow but sure and I do agree it is always going to be a problem at least for now.

Thank you so much for dropping in today, it is always a pleasure to see you and hear your opinion.

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

Hello Barbara,

It is sad when someone takes a gift of knowledge and abuses it to swindle and steal, in order to make money.

I agree with you – this will all catch up with them at some point.

I do understand that these bots and other programs are used by Google, etc for our benefit.

Thank you so much for stopping in and sharing your thoughts on this issues. I enjoyed your site very much.

See you in ‘Class

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 8 pm:

Hi Ross –

I have missed you…
I stopped by your blog this morning still asleep I am afraid and with out my contacts or glasses. So sorry . Then I broke my toe yesterday on Thumper ’s birthday of all days. Phew, what a day and so much pain!

Thank you for the link and your thoughts on this issue.

We have been fine and very busy. Hope you and your family are well.

It is great to hear from you -

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

Hello Zeenat,

My understanding is that if you reference your blog a couple of times throughout your article it is less likely to be stolen.

Web technicians are diligently working to protect us but thing is what they develop, only protects us until there is an update on our computer. Then these spiders and bots named by the scraper or spammer are unrecognizable to the security plug- in you have install to prevent your content from being scraped etc.

Jeff Starr invented a plug-in for this. You might want to ask him or John Hoff.

I share your concerns and I know how many hours we take writing and pouring our hearts into our posts for our readers.

Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing with us. I hope you will contact John and Jeff for further questions you may have.

Loved your article today :) ))

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Kikolani says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

Seems like we were on the same page about the StumbleUpon stuff today!

I get pings to my blog everytime I write articles from sites that grab the excerpt and the link and post them. Fortunately, most of them link back to the original author.

I had one instance, however, when I found a blog that was pulling the entire article on their site. Sure, it still linked back to mine, and I knew the blogger, so I didn’t think it was malicious. But I still don’t need article after article re-published on another site, so I asked them to stop, which they did. It’s sad that people are just writing programs to encourage people to rip others off though.

~ Kristi

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

Hi John,

I am so pleased you stopped it, I had so much fun in class that day. I love Barbara ’s site.

It is important to let people know who to ask. I decided immediately to showcase you and Jeff.

I hear the echoing words of my husband in your comment. :)
He is more savvy on these matter then I am.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this issue.

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John Hoff - WpBlogHost says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

My pleasure. And yes Barbara’s blog is one of my favorites. We started blogging pretty close to the same time and I’ve been following her blog ever since.

There are some WordPress plugins out there which say they help limit scrapers and other scum, but I’ve tried them and haven’t noticed any difference – unfortunately.

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Bunny says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

Hi Kristi,

Yes , it seem StumbleUpon ’s abuse is a big issue at the moment. I read your article StumbleUpon Etiquette Faux Pas, Tips & Resources and said oops – I would have loved to of added it to my article. It is so important to inform others what is going on.
Hopefully things will ease up on SU.
… and as far as scraping the first time I was scraped it was by a brothel in Germany. Yep, not a happy time.
Great to hear from you, Kristi.

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Stephen - Rat Race Trap says:

→ on Tuesday, the 4th 2009f August '09, around 9 pm:

Bunny, this was a wonderful article. I’ve never worried about this stuff but I guess I should huh? Anyway thanks for sharing this and waking me up big time!

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Jonathan - Advanced Life Skills says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 12 am:

Hi Bunny, sadly there will always be those who spend their energy trying to cheat their way through life. In the end, they will have nothing to show for their misguided efforts. This was a really informative article, thanks for the heads up.

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Ching Ya says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 6 am:

Scrapping / content theft is practically in the same line as identity theft, both are serious and untolerated. I have a friend who had her content scrapped, and she spent massive time, energy to deal with it. Her content was used to falsely redirect people to malicious site via search engine. Very irresponsible act. As for StumbleUpon, I agree with most of the commentators above.

Very informative post, Bunny.

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Carla says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 4 pm:

I started getting a little paranoid when I get emails from people wanting to do a guest post on my blog. These people have never made a comment, or chatted with me before, but suddenly they want to do a guest post when I know know who they are. To make matter’s worse, their grammar is REALLY bad. Not bad like mine for instance, but totally unacceptable. I smell scam when I get those requests (sometimes twice from the same person).

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Bunny says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 4 pm:

Hi Stephen,

Thanks for stopping by. We all have to stick together and inform each other what is going on in the Blogosphere.

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Bunny says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 4 pm:

Hi Jonathan,

I know what goes around comes around. It is sad that so much abuse is out there.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing.

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Bunny says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 4 pm:

Hi Ching Ya,

I think all of us either have had it done or knows someone who has had content stolen. Another friend of mine told me her whole blog was stolen when she first started. Scary.

Thank you for sharing -

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Bunny says:

→ on Wednesday, the 5th 2009f August '09, around 5 pm:

Hi Carla,

If you don’t know them flag them, if they are doing this. It sounds to fishy to me.

You can get around guest posts by asking people to send you the content. This allows you to edit it and protects your security.

You have brought up a good point.

Thanks for stopping in and sharing. Let me know what you decide to do.

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Donace says:

→ on Saturday, the 29th 2009f August '09, around 8 am:

Scrapers and spammers are indeed a bane on the net; and Jeff’s 4g blacklist is indeed very useful form of protection.

Though I agree with your main point (against nickky cakes) that automated sites that scrape content are indeed a terrible idea, and as you have mentioned adding links back to you are an easy way to identify these people and file a DMCA/ Take down notice with the host.

However automated sites as a basis for SEO that I feel is more arguable, I will not deny that I have played with auto-sites before. In fact googling it I think im in the top 10 (http://thenexus.tk/automated-video-sites/). Though the potential garnered from auto sites from a SEO point of view is, they can be seen as a vital base as mooted in SEO empire articles linked at the end of that post.

In conclusion scrapers/spammers bad …autosites questionable/

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John Sullivan says:

→ on Monday, the 28th 2009f September '09, around 8 am:

Hi Bunny
I just saw this link of mine you added come up in my stats and wanted to thank you with a stumble :) Hope all is well the site looks excellent and loads great :)

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Bunny says:

→ on Monday, the 28th 2009f September '09, around 11 am:

Donace,

I never said who it was, lol.

Thanks for your informative comment.
Stop by again :)

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Bunny says:

→ on Monday, the 28th 2009f September '09, around 11 am:

Hi John,

Thank you for the great posts you write, you have given me some great tips and resources on your blog.

Thanks for your support and stopping by.

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