Hello Bunny,

Even though it is easy to figure out it is males who commit most, if not all, rapes, the fact that it isn’t stated hides the aggressor and opens the door to blaming the victim.

It is true that most of the picture can be obtained from Kristina’s writing, but still, the spotlight is turned to the victims and they are scrutinized.

Is it just binge drinking or don’t they know their alcohol limit? This is not a feminist issue, but a red flag.

Case in point. Women and alcohol are being observed, while males’ behavior remains without comment. If the text talked specifically about males taking the opportunity to rape drunk women, maybe we would be talking about them and how the problem are rapists, not drunk people.

As far as I see, alcohol is not the main problem here. If someone gets drunk, and just because she is intoxicated a man thinks it is OK to abuse her, that’s the problem. Consuming drugs doesn’t take someone’s rights away. Drinking less would be something this young women could do to protect themselves, indeed, but the problem is that males are abusing them, exploiting their drunkenness.

Anyway, I think it is good to discuss the issue and to avoid taking the word of any group without thinking first and drawing our own conclusions. Thank you for bringing it up. Let’s hope those guys start to think and stop causing suffering.

Am I the only person that sees the article as a heads up to a growing problem of binge drinking resulting in rapes ?

I’m sorry, I feel that the point is being missed here.The point being women should take the responsibility of the consumption of alcohol.

For some obscure reason women wish to think the effects of alcohol on them is the same as a man.

NOT TRUE !

If you want to put an end to date rape, unprotected sex and violence when alcohol is involved then take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. Not just women but men.

On the basis this article directed to women having the problem of binge drinking and as a result of binge drinking are being raped.

Shall I define my opinion of the Kristina Davis article in the Union-Tribune, in more simplistic terms ?

A. You have a police Lt. who is a woman informing :
1.Binge drinking with women is on an up rise
2. Rape has increased since the binge drinking has increased with women

B. You have another woman , who is in charge of the rape crisis center in the county informing:
1.Increase of rapes reported
2. Increase of the sexual assault by acquaintances
3.Increase of the victims not pressing charges ( could this be because she horribly had to be violated in order to see that she shouldn’t have drank so much to begin with. )

This is an easy solution.

I do not think it is fair to play a point your finger at the male friend you ( a legal drinking age adult female ) trusted to binge drink with. Do you really think he is going to take care of you or join you drinking?

I would like to ask you this :

Who is responsible when both party’s are drunk and neither one remember how they ended up in bed.

Or she doesn’t remember consenting to sex because her judgment has been impaired by drinking too much alcohol.

I detest the thought of a woman , any woman being sexually violated. I have a friend who has been and alcohol wasn’t involved.

I just think the obviously solution is being over looked.

The facts are there they don’t need to be twisted. Women need to better control their drinking and be more responsible for them selves.

If a woman wants to lower her chances of being raped while drinking then lower the number of drinks she has when out partying. Stop trusting others (men)thinking they wont be effected by alcohol.It has the same effect on them . It just takes more to make their judgments become impaired.

The previous comments echoed my first thoughts very well, so I won’t repeat them here. Instead, allow me to add this: Setting aside the problems of binge drinking and violence against women for a moment, this article is a typical example of media spinning. This happens anywhere you have a hot topic combined with an author or pundit with an agenda. Some of the facts are spotlighted, while others are downplayed or outright ignored, not for the sake of good reporting, but rather for the sole purpose of pushing that persons agenda forward.

The thing about this spinning that really gets me angry is that there is usually no real need for it. Violence against women does not need to be spun in any way shape or form to highlight the severity of the problem. The same goes for alcohol abuse. Or racism, war, or any other social injustice you may care to name. Yet the activists and pundits, the champions of the cause get so wrapped up in their agenda that, for reasons I don’t claim to understand, begin to shade everything in such a way as to present it in the context of their agenda.

The unfortunate side effect of this is that they actually begin to drive away potential supporters. Speaking for myself, I am big on women’s issues, but you will never find me openly declaring my support for a feminist group, because all too often they come across as man haters and media spinners. I know that the overwhelming majority of feminists do not fall into these camps, but the ones who make the most noise do, just often enough to taint the entire movement in the public’s eye, causing Joe Average to discount and/or ignore the whole issue. As a result, Mr. Average does little to help resolve the problem.

If, however, I simply take action and talk to people, not as a male feminist but as a husband and father who is concerned about the world that my ladies have to live in, then they listen and sometimes even get involved. They can relate to protecting their wives and daughters whom they love, rather than feeling that they have to throw in with “man haters”. This is something that they can work with and even enthusiastically support. No spinning required.

Cheers, Marc

This is a very interesting conversation and I agree with you, Bunny and Marc. Spinning is indeed a public relations technique that is employed by PR agencies every day. The intent is to leverage one or more facts of a story while undermining the unfavored part(s). While the media per se is not supposed to spin articles, it is hard for the reader to distinguish between a biased report and an arid reflection of given facts.

News sources today must stir up if they want to sell. This is the classic predicament with the media - while supposed to remain neutral and only deliver facts, media has to add “something” to actually sell the thing. The ones who do this blatantly and are accepted as such are commonly referred to as the Yellow Press/Gutter Press.

Nobody who wants to be taken seriously by a sophisticated audience will plummet to such depths. I don’t mean to say that the yellow press should be ignored - in fact, they do play a significant role in public relations. To me, the key here is “sophisticated audience”. Feminism does target that and while the movement should not neglect to educate every group, this one should be the one most looked at.

The blog mentioned above clearly shows that they do not know what they are doing. I would even say that they harm the reputation of feminism more than helping the matter.

A wonderful post, Bunny. You kick some ass here, and rightfully! I do hope that a few of the readers of that feminism blog will start reading yours for a change, because you actually know what you are talking about.

Keep it up!

Marc,

Sad but true this is often the case with women who want to have a voice and use it improperly for attention.
I despise the narrow minded ” feminists”. The one’s that think male bashing is part of the agenda.

Where would we be without our men?

I can only speak for myself. Obviously not all women have the opportunity of working knuckle to knuckle with men.
It taught me a lot.
Not just about finance but people skills and the diversity between men and women in several aspects.
The fact still remains men and women are wired differently.This was done on purpose

Amen to that!

I support women’s rights.Not a group that is claiming to fight for higher level issues and pulls the victims card to pump up her following .The law enforcement agencies are taking care of that problem.
Equality is first and foremost to be be achieved with mutual respect. Whining about issues we are all to aware of is a pathetic reversal process of the gains we have made.

It is always a pleasure to read your comments.

Robert,
It is very gratifying to hear from a male audience especially you and Marc.
I appreciate your supporting comments of encouragement as well as insightfully putting a males perspective on the topics.
Not everyone is aware of the how the press handles PR. Obviously I agree with you and Marc on the Feminism.com site.
If you only go base an article on a short summery of — more to come—later,tune in at 6PM.You have nothing to pliable to write so you misleading your readers. You put that spin or curve ball on it.

Jessica’s article is beneath any educated womans rights supporter,totally out of context tis true.It is want-a-bee group like this that give us serious women a bad name.Discrediting our sincerity with the opposite sex.

Maybe a better understanding of the sexes is in order. Related in a more age appropriate manner.
There are good and bad boys and girls.
I happened to think that Jessica has been long over due to be put in the corner
Bravo